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How Sons of Guns Season 4 Ruined a Great Show

Suns of Guns

When Sons of Guns debuted in 2011 on the Discovery Channel, it was a unique reality show for sure. In fact. one of my earliest posts on this website was a gushing article I wrote detailing how different and uniquely special Sons of Guns was. When I wrote my first article about the show, Sons of Guns was in its 16 episode-packed third season, and it was at its best. Season 3 featured an episode with rocker Joe Perry, an avalanche gun, zombie guns and the gun that killed Bin Laden. The show was on a roll and more entertaining than ever.

At the time I wrote that first article, one of the reasons I stated that I loved the show so much is that, unlike so many other “reality” shows, Sons of Guns never seemed to focus on the petty parts of reality. On camera, we rarely saw any back-biting, complaining or the crappy made-up drama you see on so many other shows. I know, there were times when Will’s temper flared, or someone didn’t like what someone else said or did, but overall, Sons of Guns was about guns. It was also about traditions, family, and country, but mostly guns. We got to see sketches, planning, smithing and welding. Best of all, we got to see firearms shoot and stuff get blown up. The show was entertaining, educational and fun.

Things started to change, though, in the final two episodes of that season. Those episodes seemed to set the stage for what would be a disastrous Sons of Guns season 4. If you watched it, you know about Vince’s resentment getting the best of him as he walked out on the team. I don’t want to debate who the bigger jerk is, Will or Vince. Let’s face it, producers wanted us to see what they wanted us to see: a bitter personal battle between individuals who seemed to – at one time – respect and care about each other. But these couple episodes of Sons of Guns were different. This was the first time since I started watching that the show actually made me feel uneasy and thoroughly un-entertained.

Sons of Guns Season 4So, season 3 had a “cliff-hanger”: what was Vince going to do? Moreover, what were the producers going to do? What direction would Sons of Guns season 4 go? They could have turned the page on the Vince drama and left that out of the show. They could have gone back to the successful formula of seasons 1 through 3 and given us an entertaining and drama-free season 4. But instead, for whatever reason, Executive Producer Delores Gavin seemed to think that making Sons of Guns more like the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was going to help improve the ratings. Well, Ms. Gavin, that was a bad move.

If you watched Sons of Guns season 4 (and honestly, I almost didn’t finish it), you saw Sons of Guns become a show full of complainers, egos, attitudes, betrayals and everything else you’d expect on some ABC crap show like Scandal, than what we came to know as a show about guns and the people who make them. Season 4 not only didn’t move passed the Vince drama, it double-downed on it. Add in to that a mix of an uncommitted Flem, a whiny foul-mouthed punk, Will and Steph wanting to “do their own thing” with Will and Joe left holding the bag. That bag, in the end, became a steamy bag of crap.

After the mass murder tragedies last year, maybe Ms. Gavin and Discovery wanted to make a mockery of a show about guns. I don’t know. I do know that Sons of Guns season 4 was nothing that I expected or recognized. What was a smart, fun and entertaining show became a southern-flavored soap opera. I don’t know if there is a season 5 coming or not. If there is, I hope they get back to guns, family, loyalty and country and leave out the ridiculous drama. Otherwise, Sons of Guns will be off my DVR list and will be DOA to its most devoted fans.

Agree? Disagree? Let us know in the comments below.

Update: April 12, 2014

After watching just two full episodes – and part of episode 3 – of season 5, I’ve officially given up on Sons of Guns. From most of the comments below, I see I’m not the only one. I tend to be an optimistic guy, so I’m going to choose to believe that most of the garbage that is going on at Red Jacket is not those people’s true behavior but just dramatized for some moronic producer who thinks fans of the show would want to see that. I want to believe that Chris and Steph are not that rude, selfish and stupid. But, for me, it’s over. The show was about a gunshop and the unique things they do there. It now belongs on whatever networks carries the Real Housewives shows and the Jersey Shore garbage. I’m officially done with the show and disappointed in Discovery for letting a good show and good people go to waste. RIP SOG.

Nov 19, 2013S. Lawrence
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Comments: 107
  1. Peter
    6 years ago

    Im pretty sure, that what really ruined the show was the violent rape of Will’s underaged daughters …

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  2. a.d. allbright
    9 years ago

    Use to not miss the show. Now full of whiners, back stabbers, and no good bastards. Sorry for that poor family.

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  3. Grisly Addams
    9 years ago

    So, I guess a lot of what we were not liking about the direction of the show is slightly more clear now.
    I’m rewatching them and I have to say, what I thought was awkward before is just creepy.
    Not unlike watching shark week actually.
    To see a predator manipulate everyone around him.

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    • A Gun Guy
      9 years ago

      Agreed, it is very unpleasant to go back and watch now. I choose not to.

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  4. Steve King
    9 years ago

    Dear Gun Guy, What you just said right there couldn’t have been more to the point. You just hit nail on the head! I’m a firm believer in the montage that states, if it ain’t broke, don’t try and fix it. Seasons 1 through 3 worked well. Not only were we given some insight into the amazing world of gunsmithing, it was also an interesting way to meet some interesting characters. There was always a small amount of drama that went along with our group of eccentrics,but it was never really a detriment to the show. Along comes season 4 with a bang. All of a sudden, all the wonderfull things that drew us all to the program in the first place have changed. I won’t go into more detail, but whoever is responsible for altering the path this show is now following, should give their head a shake. It.s not working! From watching the show, you often get to see the director of the program. He is from Great Britian, about 50 yrs old and salt and pepper hair, maybe 210 lbs. If you’ve watched the show alot I’m sure youv’e seen him before. This guy likes to draw people into dramatic situations. He’s one of those Directors that thrives on getting a rise out of the cast, to see how they handle those situations, good or bad, just making sure he captures it on film so that it can be edited any way desired

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  5. Joe Aeames
    9 years ago

    American Guns would have been a much better show to continue the Sons of Guns. The Wyatt’s and company were more interesting the Hayden and his crew. Joe and Charlie were the only two worth watching, in my opinion.

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    • Peter
      6 years ago

      Not really. Rich Wyatt of the Discovery show American guns and owner of the Gunsmoke gun shop was arrested for selling guns without a license and tax evasion!

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  6. Joe Aemes@twc.com
    9 years ago

    American Guns would have been a much better show to continue then a POS like Sons of Guns.

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  7. Ken Underwood
    9 years ago

    I used to enjoy the program in the early days, but Chris really spoils the show for me. He is so juvenile that he would not be employed in any real engineering establishment, if he were not married to the bosses daughter. His false laughing and screaming whenever a gun is tested makes me want to vomit.

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    • Neil
      5 years ago

      Totally agree Ken, Chris was a first class penis. Like a little boy desperately seeking the attention of his father-in-law. Honestly, if he’d pissed his pants when Will showed him some appreciation, it wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow.
      That scene where Steph gives him that [arm band] piece of souvenir shop Indian tat because he’s ‘the right man’ made my skin crawl. And he wears it like he’s been given the Native American equivalent of the Hope Diamond.
      Did he honestly expect us to believe his heritage was deeply steeped in Native American culture? Lifting up his tee shirt to show a tattoo that looked like it had been done by a five year old let loose with a tattoo gun lol.
      Anyway, we’ll said mate. I was wondering if I was being harsh? Or did anyone else see just how pathetic the show was?
      Edit: in line with recent events involving the disgusting charges faced by Will, it’s a good thing the show has gone and watching past episodes seem plain fucking creepy.

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  8. Steven Streetman
    9 years ago

    Toooooo much DRAMA on Sons of Guns. I quit watching

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  9. lethargic
    9 years ago

    You do understand that Sons of Guns is 100% entirely scripted, right? Will doesn’t even own the company. It’s owned by Joe and Charlie. Vince was a part owner until he left. You can find all the paperwork online. You can even find the marriage license that shows Kris and Stephanie were married before the show started despite the show having them pretend to fall in love and get married. There’s plenty of interviews out there with people who pretended to be clients. There is NOTHING on this show that is real. Never has been. I still enjoy the show though. I think the terrible acting and impossible camera angles and whatnot make it even more entertaining.

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  10. Manuelw
    9 years ago

    You all know about the other gun show on tele. i.e American guns well the difference between the two shows is the A.G. are more professional, more harmonious, and dare I say it better looking female characters. Now down to the nitty gritty. Joe – create your own show perhaps partner with Vince?? Chris grow some buddy instead hiding under your missus skirt – you big girl.

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  11. Dick jones
    9 years ago

    Well I have the pleasure of having met will outside of the cameras. All I can say is it’s Dr. Jekyll Mr. Hyde with him. From the start if this show it has been blown way out if the real world. I would say 70% of the entire run has been scripted nonsense.

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  12. Ron
    9 years ago

    Recently watched Ep 4 or 5 of Season 5. I laughed at Chris saying how he’s been there for 5 years and knows what he’s doing. That’s basically the length of the show, and we can go back to see how you were the first few years.

    I hate that they’re trying to make it out like Joe’s the bad guy. He’s trying to grow the business and Will is constantly undermining him. I foresee Joe walking soon.

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  13. Robert
    9 years ago

    FYI, it’s = it is. When using the possessive form of “it,” you want “its” (without the apostrophe). These two are completely different words. One is a contraction to cut two words down into one word; the other is used to indicate possession of something.

    “Sons of Guns was in it’s 16 episode-packed third season” = “Sons of Guns was in IT IS 16 episode-packed third season.”

    “will be DOA to it’s most devoted fans” = will be DOA to IT IS most devoted fans.”

    We can be good, responsible gun owners as well as good writers. =)

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    • A Gun Guy
      9 years ago

      Thanks, Robert. Appreciate the proof-reading and politeness.

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  14. Jim
    9 years ago

    I used to love this show and couldn’t wait each week to watch it. This year, I’m so tired of the drama that I started fast forwarding just to csee the good parts (guns and explosions), but since the show is now 80% drama, I don’t even watch it at all…

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  15. Glen
    9 years ago

    It is a bloody reality show. Does anyone really believe that many alpha males could exist without disagreements ? Get over it and watch them work it out.

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  16. Frankwhite8536
    9 years ago

    All the good shows are going this way. Gold Rush is another. They actually showed a behind the scenes and actually had a british producer say how he wanted to add that drama and capture it for the viewers!? F u dude. I can’t stand the drama. They don’t even have to talk. Just a little to tell us what they’re doing and shut up. Show the milling machine mill the entire piece of metal. That’s the good stuff I want to see. NO DRAMA.

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  17. Geordi
    9 years ago

    I pretty much gave up on SoG after the season finale where Vince wins a contract over Will. The show went downhill with all the drama, which was not necessary. They could have just focus on great gun builds and come out on top. Yet it seems like the producers of the show want human drama added, which pretty much killed the fun out of the series.

    I recall reading an article that Adam and Jamie, of Mythbusters, told their producers, during the early years of the series, that they would not allow the series to turn into a drama. They would stick with focusing on the science and fun behind the ‘myths’, and good thing they did, for it’s the heart of the show. It kept the series alive for all these years. Too bad Will of SoG didn’t do the same.

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  18. lobos
    9 years ago

    It use to be a really good show… But now it seems like Chris is trying to run the business and is annoying as every… I can’t stand Stephanie at all, she try to be in front of the camera in every shoot like she’s the hottest thing since sliced bread and looks like a freaken parot with her dumb facial expressions. get rid of those two annoying as hell people and it might be worth watch again…

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  19. Nigel
    9 years ago

    I am so glad I am not the only one, I cannot stand Chris and think that he is an obnoxious loud mouthed jerk. He has very little skill and an over rated opinion of himself. I have no idea why Joe is still involved with the company because they are just dragging him down

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  20. Charles Vers
    9 years ago

    I have no sympathy for Vince. His betrayal was wicked. I stopped watching the show last year and was turning the channels tonight and started watching. Chris is such a drama queen and has no business or gunsmith skills to back up his demands.

    Which leads to Will’s incompetent management. Foolish to let Chris have so much say. Well that’s the last episode I will ever watch.

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  21. robin
    9 years ago

    Kris is absolutely the problem. I have to agree with everything everybody else is saying. between his screaming, whining and ass kissing, it’s more than I can take.

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  22. PiYu
    9 years ago

    at least there is balance in the universe, as it appears Step’s gut went down Chris’s blew up.

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    • CJ
      9 years ago

      I cant stand stephanie. She tries to act so bad ass, and acts like she is the glue that holds it all together. Her attitude from episode one has always made me cringe. I personally thinks she looks like a mole. I have never seen someone so ugly act like shes the hottest shit to hit planet earth. I also am tired of watching Kris scream and yell every time a “big gun” comes in. He hates joe and knows joe doesnt like the one off builds, so i have a feeling that is why kris enjoys them so much. Anyway needed to vent that, felt good. Thanks for listening.

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  23. Mike
    9 years ago

    After reading these post I am really surprised, I thought I was the only one that felt this way so I am wondering if the show is now coming to an end and this is how they are ending it. It looks as if everyone is tired of kris so the ratings have to be bad.
    No more viewers and a tv show that’s bad

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  24. Mike
    9 years ago

    I would rather watch a show dealing with Vince and his shop, I can not stand watching the show these days mostly due to the way that they screwed Vince their best gunsmith. Vince could do and did handle any problem they had but kris was so jealous of Vince and now jealous of joe.
    I am done with this show and I am a gun lover but kris is destroying this show and I am not the only one that has stoped watching for this reason, let’s get back to guns and Vince I am wanting to see some if Vince’s AK builds I already know he is a M4 expert

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    • Mike
      9 years ago

      I forgot about flem,
      Let’s start a new show joe, Vince and flem no kris or red jacket but get back to guns and builds

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  25. Jay
    9 years ago

    Chris has to go. I can’t stand how he thinks he is the owner of that shop. If he wasn’t married to the bosses daughter he would have been canned

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  26. Bmez
    9 years ago

    Stopped watching due to Kris. He’s a whiney little girl who thinks he’s empowered. Can’t stand his egotistical ass. Always stirring up shit and always giggling like a school girl any time a weapon is fired. Ruins show.

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  27. Wayne
    9 years ago

    I’d have to agree with the bulk of the comments here. I’ve liked watching the show for most of the seasons but there is just way, way too much drama and most of it seems to be made up. All this drama seems kind of stupid.

    I’d much rather see them do some of the ‘normal’ gunsmithing than see them do something kind of dumb like put a Hotchkiss cannon in someone’s personal vehicle.

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  28. Big Paul
    9 years ago

    My god these are the most ignorent group of people I have ever seen , I would none of there cheaply made guns and all of them look like cast members in an autobiography of wheres hitler now, notice how theres no minoritys on this show, I bet none of the film crew is a minority cuz will wont have THEM people on his property! show is a joke and makes gun owners look terrible, he should go to jail for like anyone else for losing machine guns.

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    • Lovely Givan
      9 years ago

      LMAO “WHERE’S HITLER NOW?” Build some guns already, enough of the whiny baby poor me crap!

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  29. Mitchell Dawkins
    9 years ago

    Praise the lord, i’m glad i’m not the only one who feels this show has gone down the crapper. Will is an absolute prick, gave joe the temp CEO promotion and totally ignored all of his input and ideas and disrespects all of his employees. Kris and Steph are all overly dramatic and coniving now, I miss the kris when he was the “Its a frickin cannon!!!” inbred buffoon that we all knew and made fun of, the chumlee of SoG. And the Steph with her crooked yellow teeth who specialized in custom ladies firearms not being an uptight c word as she is now. What we’re left with now is the Jerry Springer of gun shows. I sure wish discovery gave SoG the axe and kept American Guns…

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  30. Mr E
    9 years ago

    Kris is a clown from his headbands to his sun glasses to his laugh and his expertise with guns. All he’s done is chase good people from the show- he’s a baby and annoying – done with your show –

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  31. No more
    9 years ago

    Is this show about guns or girls with low / tight / slutty shirts??? That’s what I see. Daughter can’t go work with other girls somewhere?

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  32. Ray B
    9 years ago

    I wonder if it’s Joe’s license they’re operating on?

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    • PiYu
      9 years ago

      define “operating on”. based upon the reviews/comments I have read on their actual guns that they have sold, the only real “business” they got is this phony show.

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  33. Woody
    9 years ago

    Another good show ruined by made up drama. Joe should just leave and join Vince and make a real show. But I will not see it I’m done with Sons of Guns.

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    • Mike
      9 years ago

      I felt the same

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  34. Belinda Hufferd
    9 years ago

    I used to love this show watching it with me son but now with fat as Chris always crying and throwing fits I can’t even make it through an episode it’s just no fun to watch any more

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  35. Chris
    9 years ago

    This article was spot on. This show is unwatchable now. Will is the most annoying person who lost his license to sell guns and depended on others so he can run his store. Chris is a no talent clown. He hasn’t said one intelligent thing ever, had no clue about being a gun smith. Joe, Flem and Vince should all get a shop together. Those guys now how to make guns. They are and were the talent…the rest of them are clowns.

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  36. Jan
    9 years ago

    Joe-Chris Nepotism at it’s finest!

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  37. Chip
    9 years ago

    Yeah the son-in-law is a big mouth obnoxious baby and for that reason I do not watch the show any longer. Use to love it.

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  38. ken
    9 years ago

    Every team needs a cheerleader and rah rah boy Chris is definitely Red Jacket’s. He appears to spend little or no bench time on builds and plenty whining and moaning or fawning all over customers and generally acting like the court jester minus the clown suit.
    His waistline is the only thing blowing up with any regularity. Less eating more working.

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    • ken
      9 years ago

      Delete the last line of comment if that makes it acceptable

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  39. John Trotta
    9 years ago

    I love guns and the art of gun-smithing (if that’s is a word). Engineer and design may be better terms today. It’s aparent a host of folks have already proclaimed that this show started out presenting some phenominal gun builds and restorations.
    Then like Orange County Chopper (another lapsed favorite of mine early on) the Producers have to invoke drama.

    They do this because they feel it will fuel the show for more seasons. Unfortunatley, you can only see so many gun builds, so many bike or hot rod builds till it all blends without being unique. Enter drama which becomes the new storyline amidst the actual star…in this case the guns and other wild firearms that came to Red Jacket.

    I truly can’t believe that Will would compare Joe and Chris.
    It’s comparing a Bench Tech (Chris) to a Design Engineer (Joe). Joe also appears to have business smarts which once again I would hope Will realizes
    On the flip side.
    Does Joe with his skills and abilities want to put up with this nonesense if it is at all real???

    The other talent has already left…Vince and Flem. And, perhaps others we have not seen on camera.

    Regretfully, it’s time to end the show for good!!!

    Here’s some food for thought.
    Like him or hate him Jessie James ends his shows at the brink of drama overiding the build.
    Yeah he has a blow up or smart ass commentary but the majority of the show is watching him or his guys craft a bike or a car that is phenominal.
    Will did this with guns early on…not any more.

    The only thing that may save the show for a few episodes is to have Stephanie wear a bikini and shoot an Full Auto AR!!! Maybe…
    BUT!!!
    It will be more likly we will just see Chris get fatter and fatter. Life can’t be too bad for that boy!!!

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    • John
      9 years ago

      Was Will a Marine or Ex-Military cause he hugs Chris alot!!! What a jack-ass. I was ready to look at trying to buy a gun throughhis shop but the show has made me think twice. If his products are like his business sense then I have reservations on making a purchase.
      Would like to see someone way in here who has bought a firearm from Red Jacket.

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  40. David
    9 years ago

    I always looked forward to seeing the show. Not now, I have seen the last show that I will watch. The show is no good at all

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  41. Ken
    9 years ago

    After watching the most recent episode I am convinced of two things. First turning the show into a pathetic reality show has ruined it completely. Second I would suggest to those who think Joe is spot on imagine watching a show with no cool guns, no very cool tanks let’s just watch dull boring production of the same gun over and over. The show is about very talented people building very cool one-off guns. Stick to it. Send Joe back to the bench, let Will run the show and yes…Chris adds value to the show. He is like a kid in a candy store!

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  42. bill
    9 years ago

    We officially took it off our watch list. Like so many shows it stopped being about their product and started being about the people. My god it has turned to dramatic crap

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  43. Jonathan
    9 years ago

    I think this latest episode was enough for me. I have had enough of Kris, my 11 year old has more ‘act right’ then that punk. It’s a shame, it was a good show when the only drama was Will’s temper.

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  44. Darrell Smith
    9 years ago

    Chris is………..well………..a d#%k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  45. james haney
    9 years ago

    Chris keeps saying I want the old red jacket back and I agree. I liked it when he was a yes sir no sir ass kisser who jumped when Will said so. Now he is 50 pounds heavier and a slob who thinks because he married the Bosses daughter he is the reason for the show. He fights everyone who wants to see progress and thinks he is better than everyone else and crys like a spoiled little bitch he is.

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    • Walter Powell
      9 years ago

      I am sick of Kris! He is such a total loser. Since he married the bride of Frankenstein he thinks he owns the show! Will is such a douche. His spoiled daughter and her trailer park husband ruined the show. Joe needs to pack his bags and leave this dysfunctional family behind. I will not be watching the show anymore.. It was great in the beginning but it is officially a train wreck now! I just got through watching episode 79 and that was it for me. The worst episode ever. I am pissed, I had high hopes for the show but really Kris ruins the show.

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  46. Vlow
    9 years ago

    chris is a moron, drama queen and just plain stupid. Will is just as bad for letting him get away with his boorish behaviour. I am done with this show. Bring back “As the World Turns”.

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  47. Mike
    9 years ago

    If I was Will i would fire that cry baby of a son in-law. He not a gunsmith all Chrissy does in create trouble with the other employee’s Vince and now Joe. This show is going way down hill! I’m glad I DVR it so I can fast forward past the BS! I would just like to see some cool weapons be made or restored…

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  48. Sticky Wicketts
    9 years ago

    I don’t think these people understand the concept of running a business. Joe is right when it comes to the production line guys and having them stay focused on mass production, the special builds though are what made the show exciting. The show has become unwatchable IMO with Kris complaining about every thing and no one explaining to him that he’s a piece of shit is beyond me

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  49. marty
    9 years ago

    my name is Marty I loved the show until Stephanie and her tackling fool husband who puts forth nothing to the show except he acts like an idiot every time they come up with the new weapon system will does not need that and he certainly does not need his daughter running into the office slamming the door and ratting
    Out who paid for the building himself so she fed her dad miss information will you need to continue with this show but get rid of those too fools I don’t like saying that about someone’s daughter but you don’t need a tattletale little girl running to you after she told someone that she would wait for them to tell you I’m sure Joe in his own time would have told you all about it but no she had to run to Daddy and rat him out and as far as that tackling fool husband of hers the only thing he contributes to the show is cackling like a chicken every time they come out with a new weapon who needs that moron will I wouldn’t have let my daughter married that I’m sorry to speak ill I don’t normally do that but I like your show I like the fact that you are a stand up guy I like the promise of your show you just need good people around you not tattle tale little girls and idiot husbands of that tattle tale little girl thank you

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  50. Kathy
    9 years ago

    I absolutely dislike the cry baby son in law!! This show is crap any more! And Will letting Joe be CEO yeah right! Kris the cry baby will never have that! Yeah Flem for leaving these jokers in the rear view! I have watched every episode until now! This is no longer worth watching!!

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    • paul peacock
      9 years ago

      I am done with this show. Cancelled it off my DVR and will never watch again. I echo the above comments. Used to enjoy the builds but now the show is ridiculous. What a waste. What a joke! A bunch of grown men acting like drama queens.

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    • Shawn Crowe
      9 years ago

      I used to love this show and now it’s a joke. Chris is a total punk who married into it. He actually thinks he’s a tough guy now?? Wow. Wrecked a good show. Done watching it now… 🙁

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  51. Shane
    9 years ago

    Save the show …run off Chris the Drama Queen…..What a cry baby jerk wanna be ….acts like a dumb ass with his little giggles and undermining Joe

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    • james haney
      9 years ago

      agree

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  52. Shane
    9 years ago

    Chris is such a punk !! That kid laugh makes me want to slap that weirdo wimp …Really??? If you watch the show he never shuts up and thinks because he married in to the family he can go from a what’re house clean up boy to a owner??? I hope Joe fired him,

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  53. WilECoyote
    9 years ago

    If they could send Kris to the workshop where he belongs, the show would be just OK… Joe is trying hard to keep Red Jacket in business and the clown who thinks he’s the sh** because he married the boss’ daughter need to swallow his pride and work in the back..

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  54. Chris C
    9 years ago

    They took a cool show and destroyed it!!! Kris is a Baby!!!

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    • I'ddoStefftoo
      9 years ago

      You aren’t kidding there. Kris is an embarrassment to MEN!

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    • Robert Mack
      9 years ago

      Mac on April 23rd said, I agree, this show is beginning to look like Orange County Choppers. More drama than actual builds. The only thing entertaining about this show now is watching the son-in-law act like a complete fool and his wife supporting him. Does anyone think anyone at Red Jacket besides Joe could come up with a comprehensive business plan?

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      • Krissisadick
        9 years ago

        Exactly, not one of them could run a business for profit except Joe. Will and Steph got into trouble with the ATF for shoddy record keeping, missing gun etc. kriss and his whole crap story of ” worked here for half a decade”, that’s only five years, gimmie a break! Half a decade, that sounds so frickin stupid. Yeah and in that time you knocked up the owners daughter and married into the family. Suck it up like any person who ever had a real job has to, you aint no rocket scientist, you would be flipping burgers without having married into the business

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      • Shawn Crowe
        9 years ago

        No. Absolutely not. Little baby Krissy is a total drama queen. I saw all of this coming a long time ago. Weasled his way into things and now he’s nothing but a fat fool. Can’t stand the poseur. Steph will end up divorcing this moron someday. And Will was on some late night show not too long ago and saying there’s no scripted drama on his show? The nerve of these people. Used to be the coolest show on tv next to fast n’ loud. Now?? It’s the lamest show on tv. Fast N’ Loud is just as cool and better than ever and the new show, Vegas Rat Rods is pretty cool to watch too. Sons of guns should be called Crybabies With Guns now… 🙁

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    • rene
      9 years ago

      You are so right. I cannot believe that this Kris kid married his way into the company and now tries to run it. He is uneducated with such a foul mouth. How can these people film this crap. I love watching the guns stuff and even Vince really knows his stuff, but kick Kris off the show, please. Either that or ruin it.

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  55. Lester the Jester
    9 years ago

    The only person in the business thats serious about the business is Joe. He helped to get a new place for the shop with his own money and what does he get? Eye rolls from Chris and Steph; and Will being pissed off at him.

    If Joe ever decides to give up on the business, Red Jacket will burn to the ground with just Will, Chris and Steph running it.

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    • Terry Roberts
      9 years ago

      Chris is a idiot, he’s just pissed because Will didn’t make him CEO. If he cared maybe he should take some business courses. Look at all the problems they are having, Joe is just trying to implement some policies to protect the company and the employees, Will and Especially Chris think it’s their personal playground. Look how Chris gets and acts when they bring in a interesting firearm, a little giggly child with a new toy. I really thought Stephanie was a very intelligent woman, too much to be with Chris. Love is blind

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      • Todd
        9 years ago

        Chris makes me not watch the show anymore he is a joke!

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        • Chris
          9 years ago

          they need to get Chris off the show. He sucks. At first I liked him because he was respectful of those around him who knew what they were doing. Now his is a punk….good luck raising a family with him. He is a idiot…and Will talks all the BS about loyalty ..but never sticks up for Joe just goes behind his back. Will why don’t you just get a clue and leave the men to do the work…because your a terrible co worker/boss/friend..get a clue dude.

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      • Sara
        9 years ago

        I whole heartedly agree. I thought steph would have had better taste. All “reality” shows have their idiot, and Chris is the king of idiots. Every time he opens his mouth it shows. He has worked for red jacket “half a decade”. Why not 5 years. Since Will had given the reins to joe, Will should be backing him, not backing stabbing him.

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        • james haney
          9 years ago

          The show used to be great when Kris was the shop gofer and jumped every time Will said so. No he is surely and a snob who thinks anyone with more education and talent is degrading him and acts like a jerk. Lose some weight and remember where you were five years ago

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        • Will
          9 years ago

          You missed the line where Chris referred to “his kids at home” so I guess it really was a shotgun wedding after all.

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  56. Dion Rogers
    9 years ago

    It’s become a train wreck. Soap opera queen Chrissy. Load mouth no talent janitor bags bosses daughter & thinks it’s His shop now! Might as well be with the idiot brain fart builds! There’s a reason this crap hasn’t been done before, it’s just plain stupid. Poor Joe… A sand snowmobile when there’s already 10 different kinds of ATV’s out there! Will creamed himself thinkn doin 80 was another one of his world records! Wonder Boy, Little Boy Blunder messn his diapher when Vince stopped by was the only entertainment in this sad Has Been mockery of a gun shop. Whiny arrogant little bitches & guns don’t mix. The truth is a real gun shop with real men would kick these Organ Grinders out before they’d turn into monkeys n dance around for our entertainment. These producers need ta go back ta MTV or whatever slimy hole they crawled out of…

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    • nonya001
      9 years ago

      I use to like watching Sons of Guns. They are to wrapped up in their problems and just want to blow stuff up. I did enjoy seeing how they would do a build in the first season. They have lost me as a viewer.

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  57. Nick
    9 years ago

    I agree, used to be good, and gave season 5 a shot, but REALLY can’t stand Kris “boy wonder”

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  58. darrell
    9 years ago

    i hate that they’re thinking of building drones that will fire a weapon. the only customer will be the police or the government. people are trying so hard to keep drones from spying on citizens and law abideing gun owners. sons of guns will profit from building and supplying weapons to use on fellow patriots. i don’t like it

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  59. gunsmoke
    9 years ago

    hey guys, these guys are totally BS!!!!!! The whole show is nothing but a made up soap opera!!! with little Crissy being the biggest biggest Queen of all!!! may have started out ok but now,,,, just as soon watch WWE

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    • Js Hendrix
      9 years ago

      I’d just as soon have a “root canal” than watch that show. Hayden is seriously screwed up in the head- his temper is such that when I see him I think this guy should not come within a mile of a gun…and I am a 2nd A proponent. And the nut doesn’t fall far from the tree- his drama queen daughter and the lunatic son in law…It’s like watching a “southern white trash show”

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  60. shroom duke
    9 years ago

    Way too much fucking drama bullshit, my god these people are like a bunch of school girls! I don’t think I can stand to watch it anymore! ack!

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  61. john
    9 years ago

    I loved the show in the beginning but the more I watched and the more drama they incorporated, the more I disliked it. Will seems to be a real asshole. The way the producers filmed him when an “idea” hits him is a joke; they make it seem as though he is a genious. I stopped watching because everything about the show has gone down hill. Im pretty sure the end is near for the show.

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  62. RJ
    9 years ago

    I completely agree. The show went terribly down hill that now i don’t even watch it anymore.

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    • Kent
      9 years ago

      Agree. It’s the biggest collection of goobers on TV. Cris may be the biggest dork EVER exposed on reality TV.

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  63. Nick
    9 years ago

    When you deal with guns you deal with reality of law,tv production and so on and that can be very scary for some.However things happen for a reason and that is you don’t mix any of that with your family its just a problem waiting to happen

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  64. Tome
    9 years ago

    People, this is just a show, just like any other build show, it’s a show, the builds are off the hook, they are great! just like the cars, motorcycle. whatever, the build keep us the tech heads, machinist, and mechanics glue to them, the drama is for the rest of the household members, and that’s it, A SHOW! do you guys think there’s an uncharted island out there in the pacific. three hours away from Hawaii with seven castaways? it is a shame the networks have to dumb down terrific creativity and letting us get a peek in their world by added the Bullish drama aspect to it, it’s a shame….
    It’s a shame Shame Shame Second time it’s never the same It’s a shame Shame Shame If you wanna do it again

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  65. Barb B
    9 years ago

    I absolutely agree with you. The producers are looking at the ratings of the drama feed reality shows and that’s what they’re doing to Sons of Guns. They are bringing in too many personal feelings and drama instead keeping to the guns, the builds and everything that people who like guns want to see. I don’t know of too many men that watch soap operas so maybe they are trying to bring in more female viewers. I hope the go back to the season 1-3 scripts and remove the drama. As of now I’m not looking forward to this upcoming season.

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  66. Alan
    9 years ago

    I am a gun nut and looked forward to the show until I saw hoe self important the stuffed shirt “star” of the show was….was a jerk..treats everyone around him like dirt…that was enough for me…

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  67. Kennith E Perry
    9 years ago

    I’m don’t think I’ll watch this season, I hate all the stupid drama plus after everything I’ve learned about Will Hayden, I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. Read the news about the latest lawsuit.

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  68. j
    9 years ago

    turned into a soap opera for the young and the dumb

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  69. BigTimeBob
    9 years ago

    With Sons of Guns coming back to Discovery on March 21, 2014 at 9 p.m. Eastern time (7 p.m. here in Arizona), I am excited. But, I too, hope and pray that the show focuses more on builds and blowin’ up buses ‘n’ stuff than it does on the personal side. Hopefully people who work with Will remember who is the boss. Will built this company from the ground up and took some of these people (not his daughter so much) under his wing and made them a part of a killer of a business (yes, pun intended).
    We must wait until the first episode until a fair judgement can be made. I already have the show entered into the calendar of my phone to remind me exactly when it is time. My wife also has it entered on her phone so we are going to be sure to see it.

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    • Mike Raposa
      9 years ago

      As most people I really enjoyed watching all the builds and evidently the producers didnt go back to their very first show where Will had devulged Stephanies marital status and the fact the she and Chris were already together. Ok, for the entertainment value I watched the little farce to see what would happen. Omg the producers started making this a very bad version of Gone with the Wind in season 2.
      Finally If I hear Will Hayden in his monotone souther voice talk down to the world anymore, I will actually get sick. Stick to explaining the builds and stop trying to give us all a lesson on Hayden Family Values….Boring…

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  70. Dennis Tate
    9 years ago

    I totally agree with you GUN GUY 100%……that show was awesome until they started with all that drama. I use to watch that show religiously. I hate what the producer has done!

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  71. Shannon
    9 years ago

    Leave little miss think she’s a model at home, Chris as well. Stick to the weapons builds and educate the masses of sheeple. But please leave the twit and the half wit off the next season if they ever do one.

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  72. Glenn Fleming
    9 years ago

    I really cant disagree man I am a bigger fan of the builds than the drama. There is a season 5 being filmed but I cant say much about it as I just dont know.
    BTW Im not uncommitted anymore. I currently do not work for RJF except for some small contracting work. I now have my own shop (Acadiana Gunworks). Its much closer to where I live and Im loving it.

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    • A Gun Guy
      9 years ago

      Glenn, sir, it is truly an honor having you comment on my little gun blog. It’s not just an honor because I was a fan of the show, but because I am truly grateful and honored by your service to our great country. I wish you all the best in your new endeavor at Acadiana Gunworks. It looks like you have a great crew there and even better if you can do it with your family.

      By they way, I hope you took no offense to the “uncommitted” remark. I meant it more as a dig on the producers making a big deal about it. As viewers I’m sure some of us think of you all more as characters on a show and not so much real people. But I can appreciate your desire to have a job that is best for you and your family. Sadly, we the viewers never get to know what really happened there at RJF. But, that isn’t something we or you can change.

      Oh, and good luck with that Marketing Director, she looks tough. I used to work in marketing so I know the type. 🙂

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    • mike
      9 years ago

      Good job

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    • jeff campbell
      9 years ago

      Just wana say thanks for your service in our military, my cousin was killed over in Iraq,so I know the sacrifice u guys go through. Congrats on opening ur own shop, I hope everything works out for u….

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      • Mike Lee
        9 years ago

        Joe steps up and Will makes him CEO,then doesn’t support his decisions,including securing a new building putting up his own signature. How does Joe go to work every day,when he has no support from Will, the Daughter,and Son in Law? . Joe has a vision for manufacturing products in mass that the public would purchase. How does Red Jacket pay the bills doing business like Will does it? I don’t get the whole Chris and Steph acting like Celebs,and doing their own thing,instead of 100% effort to Red Jacket. Joe should leave now,and partner with Vince ( who has soomething in him I don’T like), but use that building and the two of them start a company that would be as good as any ,and watch red Jacket fold like a cheap suit.
        Will took the company as far as he could,,and now it shows he is not really a businessman. He doesn’t have to be if he put good people in place,and let Chris stay in manufacturing, and out of the office sitting across from his wife all day waiting on something cool to come in.
        Run Joe run!

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    • Shawn Crowe
      9 years ago

      Hey Flem!!! Good for you dude!!! All the best bud… Seriously… 🙂

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