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Something New I Learned About the Old .38 Special

The cops on Adam-12 carried the .38 SpecialAh, the handy .38 Special revolver. If, like me, you grew up watching TV shows from the ’60s, ’70s or ’80s, one common thing you would have seen in most police shows was the famous .38 Special revolver. Maybe you’re aware of it, or maybe not, but the .38 Special was pretty much the standard issue sidearm for every police department in the United States from the 1920’s through the early 1990’s.

Developed by Smith & Wesson in 1898, the .38 Special caliber was developed as an improvement over the previously widely used .38 Long Colt. It seems the military found out during the Philippine-American war that the old .38 Long Colt didn’t have the penetrating power to get through the simple wooden shields enemy combatants were using as protection. The new round, however, seemed more adequate at the task.

Based on it’s early success and coupled with it’s notable accuracy and manageable recoil, the .38 Special became a standard in police departments throughout the U.S. and other law enforcement officials throughout the world. In fact, even today – after over 100 years – it is the most popular revolver cartridge in use. But, here’s a little something you may NOT know about the .38 special:

I took a basic handgun class with my wife a few weeks ago. Although I’m comfortable with handguns, I’ve never had formal training and my wife has never had any training, so we thought it was good investment. It was a good, basic class taught by a very knowledgeable instructor at the Heritage Guild in Easton, PA. After the class, the instructor took some time to talk to us and to recommend some options for our first handgun. We got to talking about revolvers and, in particular, the .38 Special. That’s when he dropped it on me: the .38 Special isn’t actually a .38 at all!

.38 Special RevolverYou may be asking, “What the heck does the .38 even mean?” If that’s your question, check out our handy article on bullet calibers for the answer. For the rest of you, what I learned about the .38 Special is that it is actually a .357 round. That’s right, the actual diameter of the slug (this determines the caliber) is 0.357 inches. So, why is it called a .38? Well, that’s due to where it came from. You see, the .38 Special was developed from the .38 Short Colt which was designed for use in converted .36-caliber cap-and-ball Navy revolvers. These .36 caliber revolvers actually fired a slug that had a 0.357-inch (rounded to .36 at the time) diameter. But, these revolvers had cylindrical firing chambers of approximately 0.374-inch (rounded to .38) diameter. To make up for the difference, the original slug had a bit of a lip (or heal) at the bottom making it slightly wider to match the diameter of the bullet casing.

As the round was perfected and revolvers were developed to specifically fire the new .38  Special round, the name .38 stuck while the actual size of the slug never changed from the 0.357-inch. So, if you’re wondering, yes, a .38 Special round will fit in a .357 magnum revolver and vice-versa. However, DO NOT ever fire a .357 magnum round in a revolver designed for .38 Special only. Those were not designed for the pressure of the .357 magnum round and using them in a .38 Special revolver could be very dangerous.

So, there you have it. A little story about the .38 Special – as I learned it. Is this news to you? Tells us in the comments below.

Jan 6, 2013S. Lawrence
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  19. Cherry Starr
    5 years ago

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  21. Big Nate
    5 years ago

    I’ve yet to see a 38 that will fire a 357 round. It just doesn’t work. That said, a 357 with a 3″ barrel is a great choice for home or personal defense. The reasons are simple. Many call the 357 the mother of all man stoppers. It is after all an extremely powerful round, but on the expensive side. On the other hand, a .38 is great to use in your 357 for range practice namely because it’s much less expensive than a 357 round. (And the fact that my Gamo air rifle has more penetration power than a 38 is another story. But It will still kill an intruder and cost you less to do it. And that’s always a good thing) So buy the 357 with one box of good self defense bullets and several boxes of 38’s to practice with your new gun. Happy Shooting.

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  22. Rick
    6 years ago

    yes, a .38 Special round will fit in a .357 magnum revolver and vice-versa. This IS-NOT a totally accurate statement. While you CAN fire a 38 special from a 357 magnum due to the extended case length of the 357 , you CAN-NOT shoot a 357 mag from a 38 special because it will stick out the back end of the cylinder and WILL-Not let the chamber close.

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  23. joh tilo
    7 years ago

    revolver are always an ideal choice for me especially the Bodyguard revolver. Also .45 special ifs by far my favorite pistol well, you are doing great. thanks keep sharing

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  24. John
    7 years ago

    One of the most humorous things I ever witnessed on a television show was this: I believe it was one of the “Law and Order” shows. The coroner was examining a man’s body that was lying face up with three bullet holes through his shirt. “These two wete made by a 9mm, but this third one was a .38 cal.” By the way, a 9mm is .355″, a .38 is .357″. Wow.

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  25. Shelton
    7 years ago

    Very informative article. Appreciate the info on the 38 and 357.

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  26. Gus Evers
    8 years ago

    Have my Grandfathers 38 Special in Nickel in pretty bad pitting shape! Serial # 000986! Can you tell me anything about this revolver? He was town Marshal in Mulberry, Florida in late teens and early 20s!! Thanks for any information

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    • Eric Talkington
      7 years ago

      Don’t know of you’ll see this or not Gus, and I’m not sure what make you’re revolver is (Colt, Smith & Wesson, et cetera) but there are many forums out there with incredible amounts of knowledge, although not everyone knows everything, I’ve seen plenty of false information about guns, but for the most part someone should know. Smith & Wesson forums is a really nice one (not Smith AND Wesson forums has to have the & sign in it, it has a dark blue background) and there is a ton of information on it. You can also post new threads and people will respond to your questions.

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  27. CoffinDodger
    8 years ago

    Does anyone know if the .357 Python, Stainless Steel, is still available for purchase in Canada…and where? Price range? Thank you very much.

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    • Curt
      8 years ago

      Cold python has not been produced for years. If you find one be prepared to pay between 3 and 4 thousand canadian

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    • Eric Talkington
      7 years ago

      Check Guns International website. They have anything you can think of on there. Any Python, or hell any Colt for that matter is usually listed an an extremely high price compared to other comparable revolvers. Pythons are listed just about anywhere from $1,500 – $7,000 dollars depending on the year it was manufactured and the condition or if it’s collectable or engraved. I personally like the old Smiths better because they are beautiful guns and there are so many more options from Smith, but colt out more effort into quality rather than quantity that’s another reason they are so expensive. However, old Smiths are very reliable, very well built guns, at least pre 1990. The stainless Pythons (or possibly electroless nickel) are pretty expensive, though made in the 90’s, there aren’t that many out there that I’m aware of. I believe a short time after they started making those, they quit producing the Python altogether. Hope this is helpful. Also there is a Colt forum as well, I just don’t use it as I only have old Smiths and no Colts mainly due to the price.

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      • Ben
        6 years ago

        You should point out that a 357 mag will not chamber in a 38 Special (it’s 1/8 “ longer)

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    • James E Tinner
      6 years ago

      Answer: No

      Colt hasn’t made the Python or anaconda for years, let alone made them available in the socialist state called Canada.

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  28. CoffinDodger
    8 years ago

    Great site. The wisdom regarding the .38 Special and .357 Magnum in the above article is something I learned right on the firing range many years ago. Purely by chance, my buddy and I were there to fire his .38 Special for a few rounds. Just so happens that the fellow in the stall next to us was sporting the .357 Magnum as well as .38 Special. We got to chitty-chatting with this nice fellow after a while, and my buddy and I got a very simple, down-to-earth education on the two calibers right then and there. Excellent, free education and made a new friend, to boot!!

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  29. RET Navy Chief
    8 years ago

    I bought a S&W air weight in 38 special for about $300 out the door. It’s a 5 shot and I love the hammerless style. I carry it in the front pocket of my blue jeans all the time. First time I shot one at a Coke can at around 20 yards and rolled it 4 times out of 5. Had mine for a year and now roll them 5 out of 5. Yes I do have a 12 ft high dirt embankment, it’s a great gun and I don’t have to worry about accidental fire. No safety other than you have to actually pull the trigger to make it go off. Something about carting an auto with one in the chamber and a safety that might get moved to fire makes me leery of putting one in my pants

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  30. Jim B
    8 years ago

    You didn’t explain why the smaller (.357) caliber penetrated the Philippines’ the wooden shields that the .38 long colts did not.

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    • chris in ky
      7 years ago

      Longer case, more powder, more muzzle velocity.

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    • Eric Talkington
      7 years ago

      The .357 was referring to the diameter of the round that the .38 special is housed in, the 38 long colt wasn’t powerful enough to punch through the wooden shield whereas the more powerful 38 special could bust right through them.

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  31. Rockdweller
    9 years ago

    As a novice gun enthusiast, I expected to learn about guns and ammo systematically, but OMG! it’s a bigger mess than the Republican convention rules! Part system, part ancient custom, part folklore. All grist for the mill.

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      8 years ago

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  32. Garland Carr
    9 years ago

    I would like some comments on my Colt .38 caliber Detective Special. It has a 1″ barrel and is very accurate. Recently at a firing range I placed 6 rounds in a 5″ circle at 50 feet. I do not consider myself a marksman, just followed instructions. This particular model was a favorite for plain clothes police officers and was featured in American Rifleman magazine. This gun has walnut grips and is in like new condition. It has been fired no more than 20 rounds. It has a blue finish and wad produced in 1955. Well preserved, it is offered for sale for $1,000 (USD)

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  33. Matt
    9 years ago

    .357 Magnum brass is 1/10 of an inch longer than .38 Special so that it will not chamber in a .38. It will not seat fully and allow the cylinder to close.

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    • CoffinDodger
      8 years ago

      Great to know some of the picky things here. I always wondered how much length diff there was. Thank you.

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  34. Markus
    9 years ago

    You yanks are mad with your crazy gun laws. Guns are for hunting not defence and killing other people! Y’all watch too many movies.

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    • Cora Marrin
      9 years ago

      Then why do police carry them?

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      • ElOhssa
        7 years ago

        they’re hunting ; )

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    • S. Lawrence
      9 years ago

      Guns as outlined in the U.S. Bill of Rights were for two purposes: self defense and overthrowing tyrany. Hunting is never mentioned.

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      • ceefive
        9 years ago

        Maybe like in 1776,hey mate?

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      • DL Brown
        6 years ago

        Our Bill of Rights does refer to arms, but does it specify guns or any other types of arms in particular?

        And what does that mean?

        As usual, I have fewer answers than questions.

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    • Miles
      9 years ago

      What is the relevance of your comment? Could you not find a more appropriate venue, so you plopped it in here? Us Yanks certainly have a crazy-quilt of gun laws where what is legal in one state is not in another, but in view of how dangerous the world has become and how virtually all Western government leaders have abandoned the safety of their citizens, we are all left to defend ourselves however we can yet seek to disarm us as if we live in an otherwise peaceful world. When we are personally attacked by armed people, we do need weapons in order to exercise our moral right to defend ourselves. Y’all stick your heads in the sand too much.

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      • Kent Williams
        8 years ago

        Well put

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  35. will basham
    9 years ago

    Am wondering; My wife and I are both CCL’s, she qualified with and still has a S & W airweight .38spec, five rounds with a laser; and has expressed, perhaps wanting a semi-auto! I don’t specifically know about a .380 vs .38, think the .380 is a much smaller delivery slug, I shoot a 40 cal. so, am not familiar with the .380! Isn’ t it indeed a much smaller round, am more confused by the distinction of .38; .380! Sounds as if they should be the same diameter, but think that is fallacy! Could you detail this conundrum for me?

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    • A Gun Guy
      9 years ago

      Will, good question. The .380 ACP and the .38 special are both very close in diameter. They are just a couple thousandths of an inch different. The .380 is actually 0.355″ and the .38 special is 0.357″ in diameter. The weight difference is a little bit more drastic. Most .380 rounds are in the 90-95 grain range while .38 special rounds can range from 110 to 200 grains. Obviously, that is a large difference. But, let’s look at velocity and energy before you make a decision. For .380 semi-autos, The muzzle velocity is almost always close to or more than 1,000 fps whereas the .38 special ranges from high 600 to high 900 fps. Overall, in energy (a.k.a. stopping power) they both end up around 200 ft-lb. So, while the .380 ACP may be a bit smaller, it packs a mighty punch making it equal to or greater than the .38 special depending on the specific round.

      So, while the .38 special is a perfectly fine firearm for self protection. For a CCW, it’s not the easiest to conceal or carry. The new Curve from Taurus for example, is contoured to fit along a person’s body and allows a capacity of 6+1 making it easier to hide and providing more rounds for protection. I don’t get paid to endorse any product and I’m not a self-defense expert. But, based on the numbers and the statistics, there is no mathematical reason to consider the .38 special any better or worse for self defense than a .380 ACP semi-auto pistol. Hope that helps.

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  36. Ronald
    10 years ago

    The average price for a .38 is anywhere from 299.00 to around 500.00 depends if Blue or stainless steel. And the manufacture . For instance a ROSSI REVOLVER IS MAYBE tops 400. And a Ruger will run you probably over 500. Hope this helps.

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  37. Eric Lowe
    10 years ago

    Close, but no cigar. The .38 special evolved from the Civil War era .36 cap and ball pistol, but those muzzle loaders DID NOT fire a .36 caliber projectile. Any black powder loading manual will state that the .36 revolvers require a .375 diameter ball or conical bullet. I have a Colt 1851 Navy in .36 caliber and the loads that I cast measure about .375-.377 as best as I can tell with my micrometer. Keep in mind that a rifled barrel has two internal dimensions. The true bore diameter is measured land to land. The other measurement is groove to groove and is equal to the bullet diameter. Think about it and it makes perfect sense. The bullet must bottom in the grooves to seal the gases and to allow the grooves to impart the spin. The bullet, therefore, MUST have a diameter WIDER than that of the bore. When cartridges were developed to be fired from converted cap and ball revolvers, the conical bullets were seated in the cases via the heel that was mentioned in the article above, however, the heel was of a SMALLER diameter than the bullet. Not a larger diameter. The bullet and case were of the SAME diameter. With the .38 special, when heel bullets were replaced by the modern version, the bullet diameter was reduced to .357 so the base of the bullet could fit in the case, but the case retained it’s outside diameter of .38 inches.

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    • Jeffrey
      10 years ago

      I always thought it was a slang term that caught on. Lead was (and I guess is still) sold by the pound and it took 38 of that size round to equal a pound. So if you were ordering that size shot you would ask for 38’s.

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    • Robert Dillon
      10 years ago

      Cap and ball revolvers are not muzzleloaders

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    • chris in ky
      7 years ago

      If you want to get the idea of a heeled bullet just look at 22 lr. It is the only heeled bullet in common production.

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  38. Justin Copple
    11 years ago

    I just want to know what the average price is for buying a 38 special at any gun store is.

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    • JH
      10 years ago

      They always say that there are no stupid questions… well, there’s an exception to every rule… and yours is that exception.

      That’s like asking what the going rate for a 4 door car is or what does a 3 bedroom house cost.

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      • USPIS guy
        10 years ago

        He asked for an average. Don’t be a jerk.

        To the original poster, just check prices around your local gun shops. They can vary depending on the brand and if they’re on sale. There’s a lot of the same sized bullets but with higher velocity powders or casing metals etc. You can also get various styles of shot like hollow point etc which all cost differently.

        Best is to shop around and then make an educated purchase.

        Hope that helps. The previous poster should learn a bit about manners and treating others with respect.

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      • Jim B
        8 years ago

        It is better to be silent than rude.

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    • Luke
      10 years ago

      I got mine for 300 but usually they’re about 350-450 range, depending on if you want your balls when you leave a pawn shop lol

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  39. lefty
    11 years ago

    just stumbled on the website, good info. am curious about the .357mag vs .38 special comment about higher pressures will be not a good scene with the .357 in the .38s. does that apply to the .38+P as well?

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  40. Kevin R
    11 years ago

    Thanks for the information I new all but the history of the .38 I have both .38 and .357 when I recently puchesed my .38 I tryed to put a .357 round in it just to see and was glad when it hung up on the ejector. Very good not much of a chance for an accident there. I also fire .38s through my .357 when out plinking its a much cheaper round then the .357.thanks. Kev

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  41. Joshua
    11 years ago

    I did not know that so I learned something new which is why I came to this site. Also .38 special ifs by far my favorite pistol

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    • Bill
      10 years ago

      My favorite too. Love my 642 snubby. I replaced the stock rubber grips with traditional wood S&W J frame grips as I prefer old school looks; sexy! 🙂
      158 grain HP year round and 90 grain fragmenting old style cop ammo in the summer out of my 1.8 inch barrel. With my 4 inch I use 110 grain +P’s and feel well protected.
      Great article inspire of the creative license about the military history. According to U.S. Army history the failure of the .38 S&W resulted in the re-issue of the .45 L.C. and SAA Colt; not the “.38 special”. Still a good article overall! Make mine a .38 Special!

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    • Luke
      10 years ago

      I got one for my mom after I shot it several times, I debated getting rid of it haha and I’m not THAT guy, but it’s a revolver, not a pistol :p

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  42. Joe
    12 years ago

    The 357 won’t fit into a .38sp – the case was purposely made too long for safety. A .38sp will fit into a 357 magnum revolver, however.

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    • Eric Talkington
      7 years ago

      I think what he meant was that it will fit based on diameter, not length. A 357 round will slide down into a 38 spec cylinder, but it is too long to fit all the way in.

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